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Episode 309: NAV Finance: Differentiated Capital Efficiencies for Insurers

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley welcomes Dane Graham, Managing Director at 17Capital, for an insightful conversation about the growth and evolution of NAV finance. Dane breaks down what NAV finance is, how it works, and why it’s increasingly being considered as a strategic tool for insurers looking to access liquidity while maintaining exposure to private assets. He shares how 17Capital has positioned itself in this space and how NAV-based lending has matured into a more accepted part of the capital stack.

 

The conversation explores how NAV finance can complement an insurer’s investment toolkit—especially in today’s environment where flexibility and downside protection are crucial. Dane also discusses the growing demand from institutional investors, the risk considerations, and how insurers can assess whether this approach aligns with their long-term goals. Whether you’re new to NAV finance or looking to refine your understanding, this episode offers valuable insights into an innovative and expanding segment of private credit.

Episode 308: Real Estate Credit: Cutting Through the Noise

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, Stewart Foley sits down with Charlie Rose, Managing Director and Global Head of Debt at Invesco Real Estate, for a comprehensive conversation on the state of real estate credit markets and what insurers need to know right now. With nearly $10 billion in CRE debt AUM and a global mandate, Charlie shares insights on how Invesco is navigating a market still recovering from a historic value correction.

 

He explains the fundamentals of bridge lending, the firm’s “credit over yield” approach, and how they integrate equity and credit insights to drive disciplined underwriting. Charlie also compares market dynamics in the U.S. and Europe, highlights where he sees relative value opportunities, and outlines what may lie ahead over the next 12–18 months. The episode closes with a thoughtful take on hiring, diversity, and the traits Invesco values in its team. It’s a high-level, yet grounded discussion for institutional investors exploring real estate credit today.

Episode 307: Growth Has Consequences: Direct Lending at Scale

Direct lending has grown at a staggering pace—more than tripling in just six years. But what are the consequences of that kind of scale? In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley welcomes Audie Apple, Head of Equity Capital Formation at Fidelity Direct Lending, to dive deep into the risks, innovations, and structural shifts shaping private credit today.

 

Together, they unpack how loan documentation, leverage, and covenant structures have evolved in a rapidly expanding asset class. Audie offers valuable insight into pricing dynamics, sponsor versus non-sponsor deals, and how direct lenders are navigating today’s tighter spreads and changing risk profiles. If you're an institutional investor evaluating direct lending strategies, this conversation offers key takeaways—especially around the importance of current toolkit strength over historical track record. From PIK toggles to dispersion metrics, this episode brings clarity to the forces reshaping private credit.

Episode 306: The Death of Public Credit Has Been Highly Exaggerated

In an era dominated by private credit headlines, is public credit being unfairly overlooked?

 

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley sits down with John Sherman, lead portfolio manager at Polen Capital, to explore the often misunderstood world of public credit. With nearly two decades of experience, John brings a nuanced view of the high-yield landscape—unpacking how today’s market dynamics differ from the past and why public credit might offer better liquidity, lower fees, and fewer structural risks than private credit.

 

From the shifting credit quality of high-yield indices to the limitations of passive investing in this space, this episode is packed with actionable insights for institutional allocators. You'll also hear why John views high-yield as a “Goldilocks” asset class and how Polen Capital partners with NEAM to bring their credit expertise to the insurance industry.

 

Whether you're weighing your credit allocations or curious about the evolution of private markets, this conversation offers valuable perspective.

Episode 305: Executive Spotlight: Siddharth Chakravarty – Director of Investments at Coaction Specialty

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, welcomes Siddharth Chakravarty, Director of Investments at Coaction Specialty, for an in-depth executive spotlight. Sid shares his unique journey from engineering and neuroscience research to managing a multi-billion-dollar insurance portfolio, offering a distinctive lens on the future of insurance investing.

Together, they explore emerging opportunities in alternatives, with a focus on real asset infrastructure and secondaries, and examine the implications of regulatory developments, private credit benchmarking, and liquidity management. Sid also dives into the evolving role of AI in investment operations, the importance of data governance, and how small teams can gain scale through strategic automation. This thoughtful, wide-ranging conversation is a must-listen for insurance professionals seeking to build resilient, future-ready portfolios.

Episode 304: Current Asset-Based Private Credit Insights

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, welcomes Isaiah Toback, Partner and Deputy Co-CIO at Castlelake, for an in-depth conversation on asset-based private credit. Isaiah shares his journey from structured finance to Castlelake, offering unique insight into how the firm has built its strategy from the ground up as a pure-play asset-based investor.

 

Together, they explore the structural shifts driving the growth of private credit, including regulatory changes, the rise of non-bank lenders, and the growing need for alternative funding sources. Isaiah breaks down how Castlelake approaches portfolio construction, risk management, and customization—particularly for insurance investors with specific liability and duration targets. This episode is a must-listen for insurance professionals looking to understand the future of asset-based finance and what makes this sector both complex and compelling.

Episode 303: The State of GP-Led Secondaries with Matt Jones, Co-Managing Partner of TPG GP Solutions

In this episode of the insuranceaum.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA sits down with Matt Jones, Co-Managing Partner of TPG’s North American and European secondaries business, to explore the evolution and growing significance of GP-led secondaries. With over two decades of experience in private markets, Matt brings deep expertise to a complex and rapidly expanding space. He breaks down how GP-led transactions emerged post-financial crisis, why they’ve become more attractive over time, and how they now serve as strategic tools for high-quality fund managers to retain and build value in their best-performing assets.

 

The conversation covers key structural features of continuation vehicles, the risk-return advantages of single-asset secondaries, and what makes this market so compelling for investors today. Matt also explains how macroeconomic volatility is shaping pricing and deal flow, and what traits distinguish the most successful players entering this space. For institutional investors, asset managers, and anyone tracking private equity innovation, this discussion offers a practical and insightful look at one of the most dynamic segments in the alternatives landscape.

Episode 302: Executive Spotlight: Seth D. Rosenthal, CFA - Chief Investment Officer at Academy Asset Management

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Seth Rosenthal, CFA, Chief Investment Officer of Academy Asset Management. Seth shares insights from his transition from managing a $100 billion portfolio at Northern Trust to building a mission-driven investment firm focused on public fixed income and veteran employment. He discusses the origins and strategic direction of Academy Asset Management and its deep-rooted commitment to mentoring, hiring, and training military veterans.

 

The conversation explores how Academy Asset Management leverages both Wall Street expertise and geostrategic insight from a team of over 30 retired admirals and generals to inform investment decisions—particularly in today’s volatile geopolitical environment. Seth also explains why Academy Asset Management is leaning into mortgage-backed securities (MBS), how prepayment risk is evolving, and what makes the Veteran Impact ETF (VETZ) a compelling option for insurance investors. From market strategy to team culture, Seth offers a unique perspective on leading with purpose in asset management—while delivering competitive performance. Whether you're an allocator, an insurance investor, or an advocate for veteran employment, this is an episode worth hearing.

Episode 301: Derivatives Applications in Investment Management

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Kamesh Chilukuri, Managing Director and Head of Derivatives at Symetra Investment Management, for a deep dive into the practical applications of derivatives in insurance investing. With experience that spans from Monte Carlo simulations at MIT to leading derivatives strategy at a major insurer, Kamesh brings a unique perspective on how these instruments can enhance portfolio construction and efficiency.

 

The discussion spans both linear and nonlinear derivatives, their relevance to products like fixed and indexed annuities, and how insurers can use them to transform cash flows, hedge risk, and access markets more efficiently. Kamesh also offers insight into operational considerations, regulatory frameworks, and how derivatives can support relative value analysis across asset classes. Whether you're new to derivatives or looking to scale your strategy, this episode offers valuable guidance tailored to the insurance investment community.

Episode 300: Overlooked Opportunities: IG Emerging Markets Debt

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Mark Hughes and Kevin Ritter, CFA charterholders and Co-Heads of Emerging Market Debt at PPM America. Together, they explore the evolving opportunity in investment grade emerging market debt and its growing relevance for insurance general account portfolios. Drawing on decades of experience, Mark and Kevin address common misconceptions, highlight the risk-return profile of EM credit, and explain why the asset class may offer compelling value compared to traditional U.S. investment grade allocations.

 

The conversation also delves into how insurers can think about portfolio integration, private vs. public EM debt, sovereign vs. corporate exposures, and how geopolitical shifts and trade policy are influencing asset allocation decisions. With practical insights tailored specifically for insurance investors, this episode provides a timely look at a segment of the market often misunderstood but increasingly important in today's global fixed income landscape.