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Episode 328: Beyond the Bank: The Insurance Approach to CRE Loans

David Politano, Managing Director and Head of Debt Strategies for MetLife Investment Management’s Real Estate group, brings more than 30 years of experience to the conversation as he joins the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast. In this episode, he explains how insurance companies’ approach to commercial real estate lending differs from traditional bank and CMBS channels - focusing on long-term, cradle-to-grave loan management with an emphasis on credit quality and relationship-based underwriting.

 

David walks through the structural advantages of insurer-held CRE debt, performance comparisons post-COVID, and how real estate market dynamics, especially in the office sector, are evolving. He also provides perspectives on pricing trends, global opportunities like Mexico industrial, and what insurers should consider in today's competitive lending environment. Backed by deep institutional knowledge and a client-first investment philosophy, this episode offers valuable context for insurers navigating CRE debt in 2025 and beyond.

Episode 327: Opportunities and Benefits of Lower Middle Market Direct Lending

Tas Hasan, Managing Partner & COO, and Nelson Pereira, Director of Insurance Investor Partnerships at Deerpath Capital, share their perspective on the growing role of lower and middle market direct lending in insurance portfolios. With decades of experience and a long-standing focus on this segment, they explain why it's gaining traction among insurers seeking yield, diversification, and capital efficiency.

 

They break down the structural advantages of sponsor-backed lending, including stronger covenants, conservative leverage, and more lender-friendly deal terms. The discussion also explores how regulatory developments, such as NAIC guidance and capital treatment, are influencing insurer allocation decisions.

 

For insurance investors evaluating private credit strategies, this conversation offers valuable insight into manager selection, deal flow dynamics, and the key factors that set experienced lenders apart in today’s market.

Episode 326: Exploring IG Private Asset-Based Finance and Strategic Allocation in Health Insurance

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Frank Melaccio, CFA, CPA, FRM, Vice President, Finance and Treasurer at Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey, and Jason Young, Head of U.S. Corporate Private Placements and Private Structured Credit at MetLife Investment Management (MIM). The discussion explores the evolving role of investment-grade private credit and asset-based finance (ABF) in health insurance investment portfolios. Both guests share their career journeys, personal anecdotes, and their perspectives on strategic asset allocation within the unique cash flow structures of health insurers.

 

Together, they dive into the diversification benefits, relative value opportunities, and liquidity considerations of IG private placements and ABF. Frank offers insights into how health insurers manage illiquidity risk while optimizing return on capital, and Jason sheds light on how the ABF market has matured with shorter durations and more investor interest. This episode is packed with expert perspectives on credit market dynamics, the future of private fixed income, and how health insurers can better position their portfolios in today's rapidly changing environment.

Episode 325: The Regulation Recap

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, speaks with Carrie Mears, Chief Investment Specialist at the Iowa Department of Insurance and Financial Services. Carrie offers a rare regulatory perspective on how insurance investment oversight is evolving—touching on key topics like NAIC reforms, the restructuring of the Valuation of Securities Task Force, and the growing influence of private credit on insurer portfolios.

 

The conversation dives into the challenges of transparency, capital treatment, and risk assessment in today’s complex investment landscape. Carrie also shares insights from her roles at both the NAIC and the IAIS, offering a global lens on regulatory frameworks and their implications for CIOs, portfolio managers, and other insurance investment professionals. It’s an informative, accessible episode filled with practical insights for anyone navigating the intersection of regulation and insurance asset management.

Episode 324: Ahead Of The Curve

Sam Kaplan, Rates and Securitized Portfolio Manager at Jennison Associates, returns to the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast to share his perspective on today’s evolving rates landscape. With the Fed cutting front-end rates while long-end yields remain elevated, Sam explores the forces reshaping the curve and what insurers need to know about duration, relative value, and term premium.

 

In this conversation with host Stewart Foley, Sam outlines the implications of shifting monetary policy, labor market trends, and fiscal dynamics on fixed income portfolios. He highlights how insurers can evaluate opportunities across the curve, from three- to seven-year maturities to the longer end, and why relative value considerations are changing in ways many haven’t seen before.

 

The discussion also touches on practical considerations for insurers - whether now is the right time to extend duration, what risks lie ahead if Fed independence is challenged, and how market participants are adapting to heightened uncertainty. For anyone navigating today’s fixed income environment, Sam provides timely insights and a framework for staying “ahead of the curve.”

Episode 323: Beyond Yield: Private Credit, PBR & the Need for Enhanced SAA

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Milliman’s Sam Nandi, Co-Lead of the Financial Risk Management Practice, and Anna Berezovskaya, Principal and Consulting Actuary in the Life Practice. Together, they explore how regulatory changes and the growing role of private credit are reshaping the way insurers approach strategic asset allocation.

 

Sam and Anna share perspectives on balancing regulatory requirements, liability-aware investing, and enterprise value optimization in today’s complex insurance landscape. They highlight the nuances of principle-based reserving, liquidity governance, and the trade-offs insurers face as they incorporate private and alternative assets into their portfolios.

 

From evolving regulations to liability-informed frameworks, this conversation offers a clear view of how insurers can adapt to new challenges while pursuing long-term value creation.

Episode 322: The Changing Landscape in Emerging Market Investing

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, welcomes Jennifer Taylor, Head of Emerging Market Debt and Senior Portfolio Manager at State Street Investment Management, for a timely and insightful discussion on the current state of EM debt. Jennifer shares her career journey from early roles in hedge funds to leading sovereign debt strategies, offering valuable perspective on how emerging markets have evolved—and why they continue to present compelling yet complex opportunities for institutional investors.

 

The conversation explores why State Street Investment Management takes a beta-first approach to emerging market debt, emphasizing diversification across sovereign issuers and efficient benchmark exposure. Jennifer explains the differences between sovereign and corporate EM debt, discusses the role of U.S. policy as a dominant market driver, and shares how her team helps clients customize exposures based on unique constraints and objectives. This episode is essential listening for insurance investment professionals looking to better understand one of the most dynamic areas of global fixed income.

Episode 321: The Rise of Liability Management Exercises: The Changing Face of Restructurings with Oaktree’s Ross Rosenfelt

Ross Rosenfelt, Managing Director in the Global Opportunities group at Oaktree, joins the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast to unpack the rapid rise of liability management exercises (LMEs) and their impact on today’s credit markets. With over two decades of experience in restructuring—first as a bankruptcy attorney and now as an investor—Ross offers a grounded look at how LMEs are reshaping the way distressed companies and creditors interact.

 

He and host Stewart Foley explore how restructuring has evolved, the legal mechanics behind LMEs, and what insurance investors should know about navigating this increasingly complex environment. From creditor cooperation agreements to underwriting challenges in a post-LME world, this episode delivers timely insights from one of the industry's most experienced voices.

Episode 320: Senior Loans: A Closer Look For Insurers

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, welcomes Kevin Egan, CPA, Managing Director, Senior Portfolio Manager, and Co-Head of Credit Research for Invesco’s Global Private Credit Team. Together, they take a deep dive into senior loans—an often misunderstood but increasingly relevant market for insurers. Kevin explains the fundamentals of the asset class, including the security and recovery profile of senior loans, their relative value compared to high yield, and how they’ve historically performed across market cycles.

 

The conversation also explores current dynamics shaping the space: demand from CLOs, shifts in direct lending, and sector trends insurers should be paying attention to. Kevin shares Invesco’s outlook on where opportunities lie today, what risks are emerging, and how insurers can position themselves in a market environment defined by both resilience and competition.

 

Whether you’re looking to better understand the mechanics of senior secured loans or gain insights into how they may fit within an insurance portfolio, this discussion offers practical takeaways from one of the leading voices in private credit.

Episode 319: Inside Real Estate: CRE Strategies for Insurance Investors

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Rich Hill, Global Head of Research and Strategy at Principal Real Estate, to explore today’s commercial real estate landscape and what it means for insurance investors. With over $25 trillion in value and 18 subsectors, CRE is far from monolithic. Rich explains how insurers should approach asset allocation with a four-quadrant strategy that includes public and private debt and equity.

 

The conversation dives into how insurers are navigating private real estate debt opportunities amid valuation resets, the growing appeal of sectors like data centers and senior housing, and why CRE may be an under-appreciated source of long-term portfolio stability. Rich also unpacks the difference between core, core plus, value-add, and opportunistic strategies plus, the risks and rewards of each in today's market cycle. Whether you're rethinking your CRE allocation or evaluating long-term trends, this episode offers actionable insights tailored to insurance asset management.