Episode 294: Insurance and ABF – What’s All the Hype About?

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Keith Ashton and David Ells, CFA both Partners and Portfolio Managers in Alternative Credit at Ares Management—to explore the accelerating role of insurance capital in asset-based finance (ABF). With deep backgrounds inside insurance companies, Keith and David bring firsthand perspectives on how that experience shapes their approach to managing and structuring credit portfolios today. From defining ABF and highlighting its evolution, to offering practical lessons learned from decades in the field, this discussion is packed with valuable insights for insurance investors.

 

They also delve into the analytics required for evaluating complex structured credit, the private vs. public market dynamics, and the rise of proprietary platforms. The conversation covers key market shifts, the growing appetite from insurers for private credit exposure, and the strategic allocation decisions insurance firms face. Whether you're new to ABF or a seasoned pro, this episode delivers real-world knowledge and forward-looking strategies from two of the industry's top voices.